LauraLark Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I have a San Fran kit (almost certain it's the 555 but it's in my basement and I figure it probably doesn't matter for my question) and have imagined the occupants and interior designing and decided that they need 9 or 10' (in real size) ceilings. Could someone measure their completed San Fran for me to see if the bottom two floors have 9-10" ceiling heights please? Also, the future occupants need more space. Interior furnished shots of the San Fran that I've found online look pretty cramped. I gather through reading threads here that the walls are assembled in pieces (and that for wood expansion and contraction reasons it'd be better not to glue the wall pieces together horizontally but instead to glue them at the ends into the slots at the side. I think I'm getting that right) rather than in 1 solid piece and that this kit is difficult to begin with. How complicated would it be for me to add an extension to both sides? One side would be a circular/hexagonal conservatory and the other would be a square 2 story bump out with a simple pitched roof. Both would require a cut in the wall shaped like a rectangle with a triangle on top. (I'd also put a dormer or two in the attic but that shouldn't be too difficult, right? Oh, and a basement. But disguised as a giant rock - they live on a cliff, apparently - so architecturally not complicated. I hope.) The alternative is trying to find a different Victorian kit altogether that is bigger but I'm not finding anything I love. Thank you everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NellBell Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Thanks for asking this question. I have this house in a box too and am looking forward to the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 hours ago, LauraLark said: I have a San Fran kit (almost certain it's the 555 but it's in my basement and I figure it probably doesn't matter for my question) and have imagined the occupants and interior designing and decided that they need 9 or 10' (in real size) ceilings. Could someone measure their completed San Fran for me to see if the bottom two floors have 9-10" ceiling heights please? Also, the future occupants need more space. Interior furnished shots of the San Fran that I've found online look pretty cramped. I gather through reading threads here that the walls are assembled in pieces (and that for wood expansion and contraction reasons it'd be better not to glue the wall pieces together horizontally but instead to glue them at the ends into the slots at the side. I think I'm getting that right) rather than in 1 solid piece and that this kit is difficult to begin with. How complicated would it be for me to add an extension to both sides? One side would be a circular/hexagonal conservatory and the other would be a square 2 story bump out with a simple pitched roof. Both would require a cut in the wall shaped like a rectangle with a triangle on top. (I'd also put a dormer or two in the attic but that shouldn't be too difficult, right? Oh, and a basement. But disguised as a giant rock - they live on a cliff, apparently - so architecturally not complicated. I hope.) The alternative is trying to find a different Victorian kit altogether that is bigger but I'm not finding anything I love. Thank you everyone. I'm building a 557 and I'm pretty sure the ceilings are at least 9 or 10 inches tall. I'm on vacation so can't measure for you, but if no one answers I will check when I get home. I've added a basement to my 557 and it wasn't difficult. Just build your house without the included foundation and cut new foundation pieces the height you want your basement to be. Just make sure you use wood strong enough to hold up your house. The 557 is made of milled MDF and has a different construction method than the other two so I can't comment on the glue situation with the wall construction. I am adding dormers to my San Franciscan also but the 557 has a 45 degree roof angle which makes it straightforward to add ready made purchased dormers. I believe the 550 & 555 roofs have a steeper pitch which will increase the degree of difficulty and require you to either custom make your dormers or modify pre made ones. The rooms in this house are quite narrow and deep so can be difficult to furnish. I'm only in the early stages of building mine but my basement is almost complete. You can see pics at my blog (link in signature) or in my greenleaf album. http://www.greenleafdollhouses.com/forum/?app=gallery&module=gallery&controller=browse&album=7869 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanaholly Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 My SF555 came with a VHS video in which the tongue and groove pieces that form the exterior walls were glued together into sections per the instructions. I laid strips of masking tape as suggested in the video, and lined the sections up using my steel carpenter's square, and spread the bead of carpenter's wood glue into the groove and crammed it onto the tongue, mashing the pieces as closed as possible. I built the foundation with the corner longframe pieces in place as plumb as I could get them, and slid the wall sections into them for a "dry fit". When I was ready to glue them in place I slid them all out and stacked them beside the foundation between the longframe pieces they went in. I put a bead of glue along each section' edges and slid them back down he longframes and where I had to build the windows (in the towers) I did so. BTW, that's a royal pain in the patootie. The VHS suggested whittling away excess wood to get the windows even and the wall sections the same height. If I ever were to build another & not slit my wrists first, once the walls were up I would take my container of spackle and my putty knife and slather the interior of those walls to get a nice smooth, EVEN surface for painting/ wallpapering. This was my first build, BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-life madness Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I have seen the house with an addition on the kitchen side....I cannot find a picture, but I will keep looking. I have this house in a box, and want to do some sort of addition so there is a formal dining room....It is a great house! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1martinimomma Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I found the picture that I have saved of one with an addition. Mine was too far along to enlarge when I saw this picture. I don't know who the builder was on this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 @1martinimomma Colleen, that is the best addition I have ever seen on a San Franciscan! I'm sad that I'm too far along in mine to do that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraLark Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 It really is, thank you! And thank you everyone Thought of another question - how hard would it be to replace the tricky wall construction with solid plywood? I've never done a dollhouse or any woodworking before and I have no idea how hard it is to figure out exactly what size those wall pieces would have to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1martinimomma Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I personally don't think using plywood will save you any time or effort. The siding is already grooved into the pieces, plus after you read the directions (if you haven't already) you need to construct each floor as you go. The windows and some the trim are applied as part of the build for each floor. I had no problem with the construction the way the kit came. What did annoy me was the structural beams that run up the front of the bays. I didn't like that you could see them on the inside of the rooms. I just cut pieces of thin basswood plywood to fill the spaces between the structural beams on the inside. I will say, this was my second house I built, the first being the Beacon Hill, so I think some experience with dollhouse building is very helpful when building this house, but not necessary. You can do it, just take your time, and if it doesn't look right, it's not. A small level is also very helpful when applying the side panels to make sure your level all the way around the house. There are plenty of people on this forum who have built this house that you can reach out too when you run into a problem. Good luck, and can't wait to see what you decide to do with your house. 3 hours ago, Samusa said: the best addition I have ever seen on a San Franciscan! Isn't it. I love the extra space and look at the way they did the split stairs on the first floor. If I ever decide to buy another one, this will definitely be on my to-do list of bashes for the house. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraLark Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 Oh, ok. Yeah, I haven't gotten the instructions out yet. I'm just still concerned about the wood expansion thing. And was hoping it'd be simple to swap those walls out for plywood, this kit is intimidating enough on it's own without adding expansions lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1martinimomma Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 It really depends on which model you are building. Mine was wood construction, a 555 model and SAMUSA is building a 557 which is a mdf construction. So, it depends on what model you are building. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraLark Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 When I checked the other day, it was to make sure it wasn't the MDF version. So definitely a 550 or 555, just can't remember which. I'll haul it out tomorrow and get the actual model number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genieDOLL Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I measured my 1st and 2nd floor (ceiling to floor heights) and both were a bit over 9 1/2". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genieDOLL Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 PS Mine is a Duracraft San Fran 555. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraLark Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 Thank you! You have a beautiful home, btw. As do your dollies :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraLark Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 I can't believe I'm asking this, but how hard would it be to do all my intended alterations as well as raise the ceilings? Lol. I'm so so tempted to trade it in on a Beacon Hill, I love the idea of 12" and 10" ceilings on the first and second floors (I think that's accurate, anyway) but I already have this kit and I love the detailing. And the fact that it doesn't have a Mansard roof - I'd end up with 3 dollhouses with that style roof if I went for the Beacon Hill (though to be fair, one of them is only 1:144 scale). Plus I think I'd have to bash the Beacon Hill too to make it big enough for my picky intentions. Sigh. Sorry, thinking out-loud. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-life madness Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 hour ago, LauraLark said: I'd end up with 3 dollhouses You can never have too many dollhouses! Plus, once you have the mini-bug there is no cure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraLark Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Mid-life madness said: You can never have too many dollhouses! Plus, once you have the mini-bug there is no cure. That's what I was afraid of...I suppose I should just accept the fact that I'll end up with a small village's worth of houses either way and just go with it, heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Looking at the house with the addition, I think they might have created the addition from the parts of a second kit. Note the windows in the addition are the exact same as the kit originals. I think they have used the second kit's side walls to create the front and side of the addition. The large gable for the gable end. And the roof pieces with an access whole cut for the back and angles to meet the original roof. The floors would also be used. Using a second kit would keep the milled siding and trims consistent also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraLark Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 Ooh...good sleuthing! A second kit actually exists in my house - my sister and I each received one as gifts from our parents when we were kids (I remember the boxes being opened, starting to lay out the wall pieces, and then everything going back in for 20+ years. Lol). Maybe she'd let me have hers *fingers crossed* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GailGW Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 On 2/13/2018, 12:01:27, 1martinimomma said: I found the picture that I have saved of one with an addition. Mine was too far along to enlarge when I saw this picture. I don't know who the builder was on this one. This link wasn't working when I tried it (several times) in the wee hours of 28 July 2018. If possible, would you please repost the photo, 1martinimomma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanaholly Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Gail, if the original poster of that picture has deleted it, it may no longer exist online... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-life madness Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 @1martinimomma, Colleen do you still have the picture of the San Franciscan with the addition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1martinimomma Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 If I have it it's on my computer at work. I will check on Monday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1martinimomma Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Okay, @GailGW I found the picture of the addition. Hope this help. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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